![]() ![]() That was never the intention of the show. I know! You and me both! The thing is, we didn’t want it to be Survivor. Were you as surprised as we were to find out that no major character was going to die in the season finale? I was sort of relieved. I think it’ll be very interesting to see next season how you resolve the idea of a monster and a man-and a father-inside one human being. I’m not saying that the father, son, and the monsters (in both of them) are resolved. Then there’s a beat after that, at Terminus, when Rick says, “No, they deserved it.” And the kid just unequivocally says, “Yes.” That’s a huge moment because it means that he understands what his father had to do in order to survive. He’s seen this monster, this tsunami of brutality come out of him. There’s a moment when Michonne hugs Carl and Rick looks over, very, very concerned that his son is afraid of him. He used to be really concerned about how violence was affecting Carl, is that still on his mind? And yet he says, “It was worth going through that because we found you.” He sees very clearly for the first time in a long time, unfettered by morality. He says, “You’re my brother.” I’m in awe of the writing in that scene because something terrible has just happened. Don’t get me wrong, in the scene with Norman, Rick accesses that other side of himself which is incredibly open and moral and gentle. He sees it as an equally important part of himself to access when need be. He doesn’t see it as a weakness or a problem anymore. It was a realization that this is an extraordinary, vital ingredient of survival in this new world. ![]() The shackles are off.īut the thing I loved about this moment is it was very calm. Hershel was helpful in that, almost like a counselor, but he’s gone. Something doesn’t snap, he just accesses a part of himself that he has been terrified of and trying to repress for so long. You know those stories of mothers lifting cars off their children in order to save their lives? It’s that thing. What I loved about it was that it wasn’t a conflict, it was just a necessity. It had to be something that was profoundly beyond the realm of any morality, so much so that these Marauders, these Claimers, have never seen anything quite like it. Well, I just think he overstepped every barrier by the very action of what he did. What do you think was different this time? What allowed him to finally resolve that inner conflict? He’s gone back and forth on the issue a lot, whether he’s willing to do whatever it takes to survive or whether he’ll continue trying to be a good guy. But now this is a man who realizes that both sides of his character are essential and probably the main reason why he and his son are still alive. The thing he’s been struggling with, probably since Season 2, is the fact that ever since killing Shane, he realizes that there’s an animalistic, feral nature to his DNA that he was scared of or in conflict. Yeah, I think he’s a man who’s made peace with both sides of his character and, as a result, he’s a much more powerful and lethal leader. He’s resolved to kill or be killed-no more farmer, no more tortured leader. I feel like the point of the episode was to show us that this time, Rick has changed for good. Let’s start with last night’s season finale. The Daily Beast caught up with Lincoln to discuss last night’s explosive season finale, Rick’s new embracing of his dark side, and what he thinks of fan theories about cannibals at Terminus. “They’re screwing with the wrong people.” “They’re gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out,” he says. With snipers’ rifles aimed at their heads, the group was herded into a cargo container and locked inside-which actually made Rick smile. Rick, Daryl, Michonne, and Carl reunited with Glenn, Maggie, and the others at Terminus, but there was no “sanctuary” awaiting them there. “A” debuted the most vicious version of Rick Grimes we’ve ever seen, who’d rip through a man’s jugular with his bare teeth, then repeatedly stab a man to death for attacking his son. ![]() (“It’s an incredibly exciting day,” he says.) Meanwhile, the rest of us are still reeling from the Season 4 finale that aired last night. The British actor, who plays former Atlanta police officer Rick Grimes on The Walking Dead, is just about to step into the writer’s room of the AMC zombie drama and get a “general sketch” of what’s going down in Season 5. ![]()
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